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FOXNEWSW Outnumbered January 23, 2018

Attorney general Jeff Sessions the first member of president trumps cabinet known to be interviewed by mullers team. Last month, sessions recused himself of the russia investigation and eventually his deputy Rod Rosenstein appointed mueller to oversee the probe. Chief house correspondent john roberts joins us with more. Good news hour to everybody out there. This is the highest Ranking Member of the Trump Administration who has been interviewed by the special counsels office so far for the most part, its all been staff current and former but this now takes it up to the cabinet level. We are told of the interview took place sometime within the last week to ten days. Lasted several hours. Among the topics that he wouldve been interested in investigating clearly whether or not there was collusion between the Trump Campaign in russia during the election. Your member Jeff Sessions was one of then candidate Donald Trumps closest advisors and the other thing that he is looking into is whether or not there was obstruction of justice and the firing of the former fbi director james comey. White house officials will not weigh in on this substance of the interview, though a short time ago on fox news, the Principal Deputy press secretary said he believes that the investigation will soon wrap up and they will be no finding of any wrongdoing between the Trump Campaign and russia in terms of colluding to influence the american election. The white houses view is that it will be wrapping up in short order. We wanted to be done surreally and aboveboard but we have confidence that the special counsel is going to find what weve known all along has been no collusion no findings of wrongdoing. For his part, attorney general Jeff Sessions says he is vowing to get to the bottom of why there are six months worth of missing Text Messages numbering potentially as many as 50,000 that went between peter strock who was one of molars chief investigators and the woman that he was having an affair with, lisa page who is an attorney at the fbi. These came to light as part of an inspector generals report that the idea of the department of Justice Michael horowitz is putting together on all of this. That horwitz report may be coming out sometime in the next few weeks, maybe a couple of months and when it finally lands, sources close to the investigation say it is going to have a Significant Impact because this will speak right to the heart of some of the people who are involved in that molar investigation. Sources close to the investigation also believe that devin nunes four page memo which may be released sources say sometime within the next couple of weeks well have a impact as well. But all of this as well particularly the horwitz investigation, having an impact on the special counsels office and that sources close to the investigation believe it may delay the wrap up of the molar investigation. They were hopeful that he might be done by the end of this month but the Investigation Continues and nobodys quite sure sure when it will end. Sandra just changing by the hours, thanks for all the updates on that in your reporting. And josh, i go to you on this. This is big news, this is the first member of the president s cabinet to be interviewed by Robert Mueller hours it was. John is significant but i think it was inevitable. Both because of attorney generals role as attorney general and with the dismissal of james comey but also his role in the campaign so clearly he was of the key figure that the needed to speak to. I think this is not out of the ordinary in any form or fashion and honestly, i think probably said it best from the white houses perspective, i think this is an indication that theyre getting to the end of this investigation. Sandra do you see it that way . Speak marie we spoke about. He may well have to be interviewed by bob mueller. This is not wrapping up i think. We will see, there were other key officials who have not been spoken to you by president pence will probably have to as well. This will go on for many months at this point, these things take time. General sessions is at the middle of a lot of this and as we all talked about when he went before Congress Several times now, he has misremembered something, he had to clarify some statements about conversations with russians. It is not at all surprising that he wouldve had hours and hours of questions were Jeff Sessions given his role, given what he said publicly about this. Katie theres been a lot of controversy surrounding his recusal of himself, hes been heavily criticized by the president for doing so. The entire reason why he did that is precisely because of this. It can he did not believe he could be in charge of a russia investigation and also be a witness at the same time. Its important to point that out. In terms of when this is going to be over, we dont know. Six months ago, the white house was saying its almost over, its wrapping up, their way of saying we wanted to wrap up soon but none of us actually knew what theyre going to interview and what is going to happen, what charges may or not be filed but we just dont know. Sandra i spoke Strategic Communications for the white house and she didnt seem to hint that it was at the end she could only respond that they are fully cooperating and continuing on with the investigation. Harris the white house is playing his cards the way it has been in so far its been a neutral deck which is where they want to be. They dont want to make news on what they think. They really dont want to jump the shark on this. When mueller is helping them out by Digging Deeper and talking with people because if it takes forever to get to the bottom of this, it only hurts the white house no matter what the end game is because you want to be able to focus on different things. John i think clearly in any investigation, start with the big fish. He wait for the attorney general and the president of United States so you get towards the end of it. We dont know. I think youre right, we dont know exactly when it all wrapped up but i do think its an encouraging sign that there into the big fish. Jeff sessions is clearly an essential player and a lot of these and if he can answer those questions. Harris a big fish who recused himself can be complicated because the president was not happy about that. And the fact that if he was avoiding things to get to this point, how did he know he was going in this point . Only the person who knew all of the facts would know that those facts would collide the investigation. Katie the Justice Department would argue that he knew no sin is as investigation or the russia surrounding investigation in congress that came before the special counsel the specific questions about the campaign and he was one of the very first senators to jump onto the Trump Campaign. So inevitably, all of the questions surrounding the campaign answering him being in that position legally, ethically, he believed he had to recuse himself and can be a witness in the case. Harris if he had had a collision of his memory and what happened with meetings and at very first hearing, how could he have even known what would be today . Thats the unfortunate part. Thus the part i believe as they said, theyre not happy about the fact that he had to do that recusal. Marie and that was his own doing. I remember there wasnt a big push for recusal until it came out that he had not remembered fully when he testified before congress. But the special counsel was basically looking at two things. One is whether there was collusion with russia and one was whether there was obstruction of justice and firing jim comey. Sessions is at the center of both of those and he is unique in that because he was part of the campaign and part of the decisionmaking when they got rid of him. Harris look at the situation where mueller is with his employees around him and i know we are going to talk about this little bit later having what i do with those thousands of Text Messages . The same thing that you are accusing back of the day of the secret circle with Hillary Clinton. Its very troubling for mueller right now and in awkward position so its interesting to see that juxtaposed with the ag now going to talk with him. His an observation. Katie one of the questions we were asked during the hearings with Jeff Sessions, he was accused of meeting with the Russian Ambassador when we took a little deeper and found out he actually was meeting with multiple people at an event at the Rnc Convention, doesnt count as a private meeting. Marie he shouldve said that then. Katie the questions were framed as did you meet with someone so then framed in the narrative as you did meet with him because you happen to have a quick conversation with him at a random Rnc Convention meeting. So the definition of what exactly the meeting was has been changed. Marie there was more than one meeting. There was one before that Foreign Policy speech at washington which was private, there was one of the rnc and there were other conversations. So again. The five what does that have to do with collusion . We have to answer the question correctly when they ask you. The evidence shows has nothing to do was collusion but when someone ask you, you do have to answer. Katie i met with multiple people in a Group Setting that i maybe wouldnt remember. If youre asking about a meeting with the Russian Ambassador, thats different. John think all of this, its probably uncomfortable as it is to think Jeff Sessions made the right set decision to recuse himself and i think hes probably in a position today to clear this all up and actually for the betterment of the Trump Administration as a result of i it. Sandra you do get final word on that. Did you know the shutdown is over . Now that it is, there is growing liberal backlash against Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer, whether he should have held out for a better deal or was ending the shutdown more important than a few things progressive . And House Republicans are holding a memo allegedly containing what some call jawdropping revelations about government surveillance abuses. Will soon be made public. Whether we will see it and whether america will be as shocked as lawmakers. You might take something for your heart. Or joints. But do you take something for your brain. With an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brainhealth supplement in drug stores nationwide. Prevagen. The name to remember. Harris fox news alert on what could be a growing divide in the Democratic Party know that the Government Shutdown is over. President trump last nights in a temporary sending bill into law after Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer is in a Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell reached a deal. Now schumer is coming under fire. Progressive say he caved to protect vulnerable democrats up for reelection in red states. They say the deal he made does not guarantee any protections for dreamers those immigrants who came here illegally as children. Senator Dianne Feinstein said this quote. Its a great disappointment to me and its a great disappointment to more than 300,000 young people in the state of california. The strategy was to keep it fixed way must pass a vehicle because there was great worry that the house was not going to pass it. Im just very disappointed. Some are reportedly threatening primary challenges. One activist telling the New York Times this. That grabs crews are rightly furious with a slew of elected democrats in the obama years. The publicans learn to be more afraid of primary challenges in general elections the democrats are still operating at those Little Tea Party is more powerful than the resistance. More moderate democrats are defending schumer including Claire Mccaskill of missouri. Watch. I understand what the leadership did. I respect it and i do think we got a result and that is the promise is that of made and by the way, as has been said earlier on your show today, what happened here was the trust of the republicans that were part of this deal, not the trust of Mitch Mcconnell but why would you trust Mitch Mcconnell . He didnt. He trusted the 12 republicans that can make his life miserable. Harris meanwhile. Here laughing. Im not done yet. There might be more. President trump tweeted a big win for republicans as democrats came on shutdown. Now i want a big win for everyone including republicans, democrats, and daca. See you at the negotiating table. I think that what conveys. Josh there is no greater defender than Claire Mccaskill and shes done it again. I think Chuck Schumer got a real lesson in legislative politics in realtime. It was frankly played out in an embarrassing fashion. It was that he went into this, very responsive to a liberal bias that one to shut down the government and once he got to the precipice of doing that, couldnt turn back. He got over the ledge and all your negotiating power goes away. At the end of the day, that discussion was about whether or not it was appropriate to take away Government Services for all of the americans across the country, defense, Childrens Health care, you name it in order to deal with the issue of illegal immigration that dealt with people who would like to become americans. Harris this issue is more about the legality of things. Thats a hard argument to make in the midst of a shutdown. You can make it across the aisle and thats what they say they can do in a bipartisan matter and outside of that. Be five feinstein argues that they attached it to this so would be a must pass by again, democrats are completely out of touch with the American People on how to get this done and the legitimate legal way. The majority of americans according to a harvard poll yesterday. Say we want daca to pass but we dont believe we should shut down the government in favor of people who were brought here illegally. Its pretty fair and simple and my concern and what a lot of people feel this way as we only have a few days before we can go through all of this again and what does that show about the chaos surrounding these kinds of issues impact they wanted done by february 8th . And yet again, it doesnt expire until march and democrats have to figure out where the goalposts are here. I would just talking about daca, there has been an increase in the last three months as daca talk has gone on of unaccompanied minors and their parents coming across the border. Do they get to stay . Marie i think the publicans have to decide where the goalposts are because i give Mitch Mcconnell a lot of credit peered he gave democrats something that was important to us in making that commitment to have this discussion. The problem i think now is House Republicans whod been very clear in saying we dont care what the republicans in the senate do, so the Republican Party and the white house need to get on the same page but what i would say to progressives were met at Chuck Schumer, alexis have consequences. We are not in the majority. As much as he which in some fantasyland we could control things and force daca to four shut down, that is not how government works. And if youre going to go vote for someone else, who you going to look for to better defend . Katie thats a great question. When you could answer. Marie i would make the argument to progressives that there are two parties who run in elections and the only party i would argue who has made daca a priority as democrats. He may be mad at Chuck Schumer but governing is much harder than carrying signs and protesting. Josh welcome to the Wonderful World of primary politics. Marie i know. Harris demo on dem crime. Marie this is a momentary blitz. I dont think youre going to see a lot of primaries before 2018 midterms, is almost too late for that. Sandra would you want to see Chuck Schumer hold out for more. Marie on friday i on the show said if we get an exquisite commitment from Mitch Mcconnell to take up daca then we should not cut shut the government down. Harris what weve learned is that pretty much what they had on friday. So my question is we have to see a Government Shutdown to get what Chuck Schumer wanted . Josh we were on this path. This is what was happening. They were currently negotiating. All of this was happening. Love to ask them. I dont think it turned out the way they wanted it

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