Campaign and where things stand joined by al hunt, susan glars, Nick Confessore and jon meacham. It lives in his arena and town halls. It moves over and around party structures. He does not need them and its possible other candidates as those trends continue who will not need them as badly. The parties are not what they were. They are now vehicles for fund raising ua voters and forhaving meetings a year. Its not where, the power does not reside in the party anymore. Hes showing that. We conclude with alex ross talking about the industry of the future. I think the code is the Significant Development in conflict since the weapon of solid material. Creating a nuclear arm requires access to the scariest of scarce scientific talents where the creation of very powerful mal ware, the barrier to entry is low. I have a very dark view of our security online. Rose Supreme Court nominee, the political race and industries of the future when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications rose we begin this evening with the Supreme Court. President obama nominated Merrick Garland to fill the seat vacated by the late justice ant meanally awe. Hes the judge on the federal court of appeals in the dc circuit. Speaking from the rows garden the president demanded a fair hearing. To suggest someone is qualified and respected as Merrick Garland doesnt even deserve a hearing let alone an up or down vote to join an institution as important as our Supreme Court. When two thirds of americans believe otherwise. That would be unprecedented. To suggest that someone who has served his country with honor and dignity, with a distinguished track record of delivering justice for the american people. Might be treated as one republican leader stated as a political pinata. That cant be right. Tomorrow judge garland will travel to the hill to begin meeting with senators oneonone. I simply ask republicans in the senate to give him a fair hearing. And then an up or down vote. If you dont, then it will not only be an abdication of the senates constitutional duty, it will indicate a process for nominating and confirming judges that is beyond repair. Rose Congressional Republican leaders reiterated their intention to block the confirmation process or not even begin it. Joining me now from washington, adam liptak of the New York Times here in new york, Jay Michaelson of the daily beast. He served as a law clerk to judge garland in 1998. Im pleased to have both of the on this program. Adam i begin with you. Talk to me about this nomination whats behind it, obviously a man very qualified and a man who has a powerful personal story. So in a way its a brilliant political strategy but we should start by talking about judge garland. He has impeccable credentials. Hes very well regarded by people on all sides. Hes a judges judge, and in that way, president obama has made life a little harder for republicans. He made have disappointed some of his friends on the left 450 might have liked to see someone less moderate more liberal but it will be hard for republicans many of whom spoken up in the past in favor of judge garland to oppose him now. They have to rely on the abstract argument that no hearing should be held for any nominee ever in the last year of a president s term. Its÷i going to be harder for tm to make a case against this man in take. Rose the court of appeals one was Mitch Mick Connell and Chuck Grassley the chairman of the judicial committee. He was hardly confirmed by the unanimous vote but hes been on the court for 20 years and his work is truly highly regarded. Thats not just the sort of thing you say about any prominent judge. Hes regarded by for instance many Supreme Court justices as a truly out standing judge. Rose you know him you clerked for him. Tell me about him. It was moving for me today on the rows garden speech is he really put the human face on this. Working for him this is someone of really superior integrity. Hes incredibly hard working which was tough as a law clerk. This is back in 1998, i was a young budding lawyer just out of what you school. What an honor to reason through the law withpx someone with a md like judge garland. There were judges on the circuit who i wont name that people felt like well they tell their clerks how they want the case to come out and the clerks fill in the legal details. Judge garland wasnt like that. It was working through the law with him stage by stage. I had a dubious honor, i had all the boring regulatory cases from a particular regulatory agency, Energy Regulations not a sexy topic. And you know the judge spent time with those cases. Rose what are his views. You know, if you look at his background which he shared a little bit today in the rose garden coming from Humble Beginnings to great heights to Harvard Law School and then serving the Justice Department. I think it was an interesting, and this was my experience clerking for him. The human side of the cases that he was working on. Not everybody who is prosecuting a case for terrorism meets the victor tips families, tours the sites, gets personally involved in that way. ic that was the case too when i was clerking for him. There were cases that had gone on for years and years and every so often we would get lost in the procedure of it and he would bring us back to these are people on both sides of all these cases. Theres that humanism is there that i think will be a potent factor over the next few months. Rose adam walk us through where he has in decisions balleted himself on big issues facing the judicial process today. We have to bear in mind that the d. C. Circuit is very prestigious court but its docket is idiosyncratic with many industry law questions and doesnt get the controversial issues. Theres not that much to look at on his record thats very interesting. His opponents have pointed to almost nothing except a vote to rehear his Second Amendment case asking that might tip you off. And something to bear in mind and particularly with judge garland its an inferior court that has to follow Supreme Court precedent which he really has done faithfully. [5but that also means we dontke would be like were he to join the Supreme Court where justices have much more room to maneuver than Circuit Court judges do. Rose having said that, he was in the Justice Department for a number of years, clinton appointee, i think. And while there, he did some remarkable investigations. But often people in the Justice Department come down with a sense of understanding of the criminal process and support of it. I think thats true in this case. So if theres an area in which he might be a little more centerright than center left, it would be in criminal cases. Hes open to prosecutors arguments. I was just reading a dissent of his in a case which the majority had thought a prosecutor committed misconduct in the way he offered his closing arguments. And judge garland was quite sympathetic to that prosecutor. So thats an area where he might be a little bit more conservative. In general, though, he is moderate tilting slightly left which means in isolation, he ought to be not very objectionable to many republicans who would have taken him in a heart beat id say if it was Justice Ginsberg who left the court rather than justice scalia. But here the point is not what he looks like in isolation but how he looks relative to who is left on the court and who is left on the court are four liberals who we more or less join what we know for him almost for certain is that hes substantially to the left of Justice Kennedy who is currently the ideological center. Rose could he be a swing judge . I dont know that he 9co woud swing but he would be in the arned through the day aboutme the dynamics of this nomination so effectively laid out by the president and by the nominee himself . Obviously as the president made clear hes presenting this as a compromise meaning its above politics in an effort to essentially send a message to republicans that look this is as good youre going to get from a democratic president and if you wanted to rom the dice and think youre roll the dice and think youre going to get somebody better if Hillary Clinton wins the whitehouse or Bernie Sanders, youre mistaken. What weve seen today are republicans on the hill saying they are united there will not be a hearing. We saw Mitch Mick Connell saying sorry no go no way. But youre starting to see a couple republicans say yes, theyre going to meet with him even though theyre not going to control how this process unfolds. So i expectd what well see now as judge garland comes on to the capitol hill and starts meeting with some of those Democratic Leaders and senators. The bottom line is, unless it looks like Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders are going to win in november, i think a hearing is very unlikely. I think this could on potentially at least until october and then if we see a democrat up by 10 or 15 points well then republicans night start thinking we should go ahead and confirm him because Hillary Clinton might put someone on much younger and to adams point a lot more liberal. Rose so in terms of the republicans and being able to see him, i mean are you saying that only a few of them will see him. Several including some of the leadership has said we dont even want to waste your time. Well talk with you on the phone but no we dont even really want to have a meeting much less a s from some of those loose states saying okay, may be up for reelection theyre going to sit down to him and be polite to him. Why waste this fine and respected judges time by coming up here for no reason. Thats the line that theyre putting out this afternoon. Rose have you looked through his record . Surprises. No. Hes a jurist. He hasnt caused problems in the past. You dont get a lot of abortion cases in the District Of Columbia or Death Penalty cases obviously a liberal area so they dont get challenges on those kind of cases. His record reflects what everyone believes him to be which is unassailable qualification, high e respected by people on both sides of the aisle not someone who is going to swing for the fences but still would be and this is the republicans bottom line still would be a solid liberal vote which would turn the supreme0b court for a generation of they believe to the left. And thats why they are not going to budge even if Merrick Garland in any other year would be the best nominee a Republican Senate could hope for from a democratic president. Rose we talked about a family man and being in the Justice Department. What else defines him and distinguishes him . Well i think whats going to come out in these next few months precisely because of whats been said so far this is a nomination unlikely to succeed in the conventional way. I think were going to get to see him as a deliberate figure and as a human being. Thats actually really compelling particularly for some of the senators who are in close reelection match ups like senator grassley now who hasnt anticipated it. Its not just the principle. It is also the person and theres a human being who is being really jerked around by this system. And i think thats actually really compelling. There are a couple areas of his jurors jurist prudence which are the cases the d. C. Gets a lot of. In thosek cases judge garland because of his background from the justice side would be on the government side but is on the claimants side more. Were having a conversation what its like to be a centrist jurist in contemporary america and judge garland epitomizes that and its unfortunate were not able to have that conversation. Rose jan do you believe the republicans resistance will hold. I think it will hold until it looks like the republican nominee charlie whoever that may be may not win the whitehouse in november. I think that mains that this may drag on for quite a while and youre going to see republicans pretty united certainly among the leadership thats making these decisions. If we get to october and it looks like the republicans have lost, then you may have a hearing that could change. You could Say Something perhaps even in november. And then the other political calculations charlie. Thats say republicans actually lose the senate. Well a democratic55 senate in january could confirm judge garland. So all of these things mean this is not necessarily a nonstarter. It is climate and who knows weve seen in the campaign anything can happen. October, september could be a pieftal pivotal time of the year for judge garland. Rose when you see other choices there are things you might have heard that the president wanted to but in terms of the political dementia of this he he has usual senses of demographic diversity and the president here gave up maybe 15 years on the Supreme Court. Judge garland is 63 thats quite old by historic standards for Supreme Court nominees. They come in their early 50s. So i think he made some calculations, some compromises to come up with somebody who is very hard to oppose on the conventional way tpu oppose people. Theyre in some sense unqualified that they dont have the right temperament, that their credentials are inadequate, that they are too far out of the judicial mainstream. Those knocks are not going to work and now well see whether the republicans are prepared o and how much of a political price as jan was suggesting they may have to pay to dig in their heels and not Merrick Garland a heeling. Rose that sums up where we are. Thank you jan thank you adam thank you jay. Well be right back. Stay with us. Rose we turn now to the political campaign. Donald trump and Hillary Clinton were the big winners in the two primaries. Clinton beat sanders in four states widening her lead in delegates. On the republican side trump came away with three wins. I just want to say were going to go forward and were going to win but more importantly were going to win for the country. Rose marcosuspended his car losing his home state of florida. While it is not gods plan that i be president in 2016 or maybe ever and while today my campaign is suspended, the fact that ive even come this far is evidence of how professional america truly is. Rose john kasich delivered his first primary win in ohio his home state taking all of the states delegates. This is all i got, okay. This is all i got. And all i can say is thank you from the bottom of my heart. But i want you to know asking. Were going to go, we are going to go all the way to cleveland and secure the republican nomination. Rose from washington is al hunt hes a columnist of the Bloomberg View and a good friend of this program and Susan Glasser shes the editor of politico and will be joining us soon. From national jon meacham hes a president ial historian and the author of destiny and power the american odyssey of George Herbert walker bush. Here in new york Nick Confessore. Hes a political reporter for the New York Times. Let me begin with al hunt in washington. Tell me where we are, al, after the second super tuesday and what happened in florida and especially what happened in ohio. Charlie, somewhat more settled and not totally yet on the democratic side its almost impossible to envision Bernie Sanders beating Hillary Clinton at this stage but hes going to give her some heart burn over the next month. A bunch of small caucuses, wisconsin he could win and hes a cause candidate. Hes not going to go away but shes certainly barring from class clizzal will be the nominee. Ual had trump had a great day. He had an impressive win in four out of five states. It may be a reach for him to getthose 1,03e time he gets to cleveland. If he comes in a hundred short, the people in the parties, not just the establishment, the Movement Conservatives are meeting tomorrow to talk about a Third Party Candidate elective politicians. The resistance of donald trump despite his victories is as great as ever and i dont think its by any means its a foregone conclusion hes the nominee. Rose susan, what do you think. A couple thoughts. On the democratic side i do agree with al that its more or less all over. I do think what youre seeing right now is the Sanders Campaign sort of huddling and regrouping trying to figure out how long they can fight on. What you see from Hillary Clinton even in her speech last night and i think youll see increasingly in the coming days is an effort by clinton and her supporters to sort of try to gently delicately signal to sanders that the time has come to mobilize around the greater threat against trump. Of course her speech last night was not so much a victory speech as