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KQED Charlie Rose The Week April 29, 2017

Of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications is it luck at all or Something Else . It comes from his dad. Rose whats the object lesson here . Sort of a collection of ideas. Rose tell me the significance of the moment. Rose this was the week the Trump Administration announced plans for a massive tax reform. Congress scrambled to avoid another government showdown, and it was announced James Earl Jones jr. Will receive a special tony award this year for lifetime achievement. Here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. Jonathan demme, the oscarwinning director of silence of the lambs and philadelphia, has died at age 73. Through books and occasionally through films, i have had light bulb go on in my head. Pockets of violence in france following a vote in the countrys president ial election. The president wont sign a bill if it doesnt include funding for the wall jowe need that wall. Pope francis delivered a message of humility during a surprised ted talk. Would you say after what you reviewed today that general flynn is in a heap of trouble . Yes. The president wants to tack a 20 tariff on canadian lumber. The sprt going to seize this opportunity by leading the most significant tax reform legislation since 1986. The cofounder of google unvague his prototype for a flying car. President trump has summoned all 100 members of the United States senate to the white house today for a briefing on north korea. Were not gonna take it north korea threatened to sink a u. S. Aircraft carrier. They show what an irrational, International Player they really are. People see me on tv and are like, man, are you on cbs . You look good. Time magazine honored the top 100 people. Whats been going on while im gone. Oh, baby give me one more chance president obama made his first public appearance as a former president. Everything i done when i was in high school, i probably wouldnt have been president of the United States. But now since i see you rose President Trump marks his 100th day in office on saturday. He has issued dozens of executive orders, launched a successful missile strike on syria, had his choice for Supreme Court justice confirmed, and sworn in. He has not had a major legislative victory. No one doubts that he has been very busy. The question is what makes donald trump tick . Few reporters know him better than Maggie Haberman of the New York Times, and cnn. I think two things are true. I think i have known him for a long time, covered him at politico, covered him at the new york post. Longevity matters with him and the familiar matters with him. But i also dont, anyone should make any mistake that if i department have the prepositional phrase of the New York Times attached to my name, im not sure that i would be speaking to him as frequently. Hes fascinated by the New York Times, and its a marvelous paper. Soy understand about. Rose what is that about . He has said in front of audiences, the love the new york time and then the tailing New York Times. He came to our offices on the 40th street a week or two after he was elected, and we were the first major interview he did. He came to us and we didnt go to him. That was a subject of some debate because that meeting was scrapped and put back on. As is usual with trump there was negotiation. He grew up in new york and the outer boroughs. He still has never felt he has gotten the respect he believes he deserves, and he has always seen himself as this kid from queens clawing his way up the ladder, and so for him, the times looms very large. Rose in addition to, that because somebody is always questioning whether hes worth or hes worth that . And how he made it and did he come to this on his own . How much of this was given to him by his father, fred trump, versus how much he managed to create as a business unto himself and as a brand unto himself. And this question of legitimacy just exists throughout his career. Rose when does the when, when, when thing come from . It comes from his dad. He has two mentors and i sort of see them sitting on either shoulder. One is fred trump, his father, who taught him essentially, never give up. Always win. And then roy cohn, the mathera fixer Joe Mccarthys lawyer. Exactly. Who taught him essentially, always be on office and all press is good press. To be clear, i dont actually believe donald trump believes all press is good press ago i have heard him say it a lot. But i think he believes press is important. Rose winning is what matters to him. Selling something is a win whether you win or not. Its very difficult as a president to be clear, youre not going to have an agreement on a shared set of facts with this president sometimes. And we saw this a lot during the campaign. He will present numbers that are just not true about either crowd size or about the effects of his policies or about, you know, when something took place. And when you challenge him on it, he will say, well, thats what i read somewhere, or someone sent me that. Sm its never sort of his own domain and he doesnt own it he doesnt take proprietary feel for it. A win is in his mind what he decides it is. And that is his challenge right now, how coi tell people, how do i tell the public that a 100day presidency, first period of my presidency, where his poll numbers, personal Approval Rating have been around 40 , pretty much, give or take a few poants, where he has historic unpopularity and unfavorability, where he has been stymied by a congress where his party is has the majority. How do i sell in both houses. In both houses. How i do sell that as victory . Rose he first says and you pointed this out, he sells it as this is an articleificial landmark, an artificial standard. And the next thing he does is everything he can to make himself look good by the judgment of that standard. Hes smart enough to know and look, he is a smart man. I mean, this is this is something that i think he gets dinged for. I dont think a series of interviews that he gave this past week necessarily served him well. We gave a bunch of 100day interviews where he said some things that candidly made my jaw drop that ill get to later. But i think he is aware that it is an important marker that gets used, and hes also very numbers affixed. Hes very sort of visual learn is the term you hear used about kids. I dont know that hes a visual learner, but he does really like numbers and graphics and charts. Rose ill have more of the Maggie Haberman interview on the nightly edition of charlie rose. All week long this week, weve been gathering reaction and analysis of President Trumps first 100 days in office and asking the question, how is he faring both at home and abroad . Here are some of those conversations from people with interesting opinions. I think you have to use the old Richard Nixon yellow pad, the good and the bad, charlie. Its been the best of time, the worst of time. Neal gorsuch is a 30year win, maybe a 40year win. They had a huge free exercise case next week before the court. There will be many more 54 decisions in which Justice Gorsuch is on the side of the oriblginallists. I think its impossible to overstate how big that win is. Its the first time a Supreme Court justice wasonfirmed in the first 100 days. On the other hand, the loss of the Obamacare Repeal is devastating to the idea that the republicans could accomplish something if they had all three branches of government. They havent, and thats a major drawback. There are also 20 Circuit Court judges that are vacant, for which only one nominee has been put forward. Thats a down side. On the up side, there are 13 congressional statutes not executive orders statutes which have longlasting deep implications for the roll back of the federal administrative state. Its a 5050, good time bad time situation from my perspective. Hugh, i think, is grading on a little bit of a curve here. Ill give him props for that. This is a president right now who according to a pair polls that came out, the abc Washington Post poll and another poll by nbc a couple of days ago was in the 40 42 Approval Rating. That is the lowest by far of any president in the modern era. It means he has far less Political Capital with which to act. He was handed a humiliating defeat on the health care stuff. More than that, i think there was a fundamental misapprehension by the president and his team on how the presidency worked. I think what were seeing is him learning on the job and over the past couple of weeks, if you are a republican and surt of the president , there have been a hand full of encouraging signs that hes sort of learning the presidency, finally, after three months. Rose one of the things that was said about president obama is that there was great reservation about his will after the red line stuff, especially among the arab countries saudi arabia, the arab emirates, the others. Where does donald trump stand on that . I think hes leading the world into a different era. President sisi coming to the white house, or king abdullah, benjamin netanyahu, the sunni aligned with President Trump to oppose the syria, iran, hezbollah access is real and significant. I think we can put to bed talk that vat mere putin and donald trump are going to be best buddies. That is clearly not happening. And i think theresa may going to the electorate on june 8 is going to again strengthen the idea that the world longs from leadership from the west. Not le pen. She is off of the chart. She is not trumpest. I dont think thats part of the global realignment going on, i think she is an outlier. But donald trump has had a lot to do with it, as had jim mattis, as had nikki haley at the u. N. , and im very satisfied with the way hes begun his Foreign Policy, much more than i am with his domestic agenda in the house. I think the biggest achievement na sense, is he has learned what he didnt know, that he has learned the world is more complicated than the policies he campaigned on. Thats true partly domestically, but its much more true when it comes to the international stage. The fact that he says he sat down with president xi and the north korea situation is much more complicated than he realized and he was prepared to admit there was a learning curve. And that haas influenced hutch of what he has done and said on the Foreign Policy stage. He came in with a very clear, nationalist, populist America First ideal. And he has shifted on that. He shifted to one of more engagement, more realization that he has to engage with americas allies to get results for america. And i would so rather than one specific thing that hes done, i would say thats the most important thing is the learning curve he has gone through and he has realized hes gone through. So the most specific things hes done no disagreement with that from a structural perspective but he got rid of the Transpacific Partnership right at the beginning. Massive potential trade deal. Campaigned, said he was going to get rid of it, got rid of it. Bombed syria. Rose he didnt have to get rid of it because it had never been achieved. No, but again, americas allies in north america, south america, and across asia, 40 of the worlds g. D. P. Was committed to it and comes in and says its dead and kills it. Different from saying china was a currency manipulator. The deal with syria on chemical weapons, abrogated 2013, the Syrian Government uses chemical weapons, he engages in strikes. And his most important meeting of his presidency so far with xi jinping was treated with a level of respect, with dignity, and they bought themselves some time. Furthermore by pressure the chinese on north korea, both directly and indirectly, they have gotten the chinese already prepared to respond with greater pressure against the north koreans. There are a lot of place wheres trump has made big mistakes in foreign policies in the way hes handled some meetings and phone calls and not going what was going on this was the early trump or even extending into the last week or two as he reaches the 100 days . In other words, after he had gone through the changes, is he still making serious mistakes in terms of phone calls . I think hes still embarrassing himself occasionally, and hes still, obviously, making statements that dont comport with reality. But, but obviously. Obviously. But if you look, when he came in place and youve spoken with us in the runup to the presidency the expectation was domestic policy going to be really hard to move the needle much, but Foreign Policy, could be really volatile. And actually, there has been learning as you suggested. There havent been any crises thus far, but the substantive issues hes handled hes actually handled in a way, whether you like or not, you can say has been competent. And, also, you have some staff flynns gone. K. T. Mcfarland is gone. Bannon is off the committee at the National Security council. All those moves make people a little more comfortable. Rose clearly he listened to mattis and tillerson. Clearly he also listens to bannon. The other thing i would recognize new england to t. P. P. , we do now have trade moves against canada. Rose question about china. Do we know exactly what was achieved in that conversation in palm beach, other than two World Leaders of two most powerful and important nations in the world getting to know each other, which is a crucial thing to do, i think. Go ahead. One of the things two things that ive heard from that meeting. One is the chinese came and made offers in terms of investment in the United States that the white house turned down. That they said, no the problem between us is too big. Year not going to take a few billion dollars as a way of solving this and making us look, you know, indebtedded to you. The other thing is the pressure on north korea. The white house went in and clearly said you have to put more pressure on north korea. And if you dont, we will take retaliatory action against the chinese entities. Whether they can do that under w. T. O. Rules is probably more questionable, but they seem to have got something from the chinese in terms of actions against north korea, which is the biggest Foreign Policy challenge that the president faces. He won the election. Big surprise, we have the house, we have the senate. But butt now were finding out were not sure hes ideologically reliable so theres fear growing in the caucus. Theres a lot of worry he will trianglealate himself in left field or right field or who knows what . And when you have a president who is kind of a chaos machine, it can be a negotiating advantage for the president , but also scares your allies a lot because they dont know what to count on. So if he starts having wins, hell hold friends. If he trianglealates against the rs and the ds because he cant get anything done, then hes not going to have very many friends. If we lose the special election coming up in georgia, the runoff in a republican district where its really a coin toss then the real power will take over in the congress the fear of my own reelection. The golden rule to thine own political career be true. And the calculus will change which is this guy was supposed to be the big winner who got elected is now an anchor around our necks and what are we going to do about that . Rose nothing succeeds like winning, i assume. In politics, thats the golden wriewl. Thats why, if you look at these 100 days, i think there are a lot of things trump folks ought to be worried about. Matthew and i alluded earlier, he has bad numbers. The president has a toolbox, if youre popular you can pressure congress. He doesnt have that. Hes backed into one part of the Republican Party that loves him, but even that is not enough in a majority you can see it in health care now between the Freedom Caucus on the right and the mod raits in the center trying to find a middle ground to change obamacare which is a very tough Public Policy problem. Hes running out of tools, and thats a problem. Rose mat, as you know, everybody who supports him says, you said that all along. He won the republican primaries, he got the nomination and defeated hillary clinton. Well, thats totally true, but neez an entirely different scenario, charlie, and i said this since he took office. He suck teded pubbing up against somebody or something more unpopular, less acceptable than him. Right now highs pushing up against himself. He stands on his own as president of the United States. Hes flailed around trying to find an enemy to push up against the press, democrats whatever it is. But he is president of the United States without an Election Campaign for another three years, and so he succeeded. Yes, he succeeded in the primaries against a group of weak candidates that didnt ever take him seriously. He pushed against them. He succeeded against hillary clinton, a person almost as unpopular as he was. Can he succeed as a leader standing on his own and now hes on a world stage that he cant sort of compete against and get a rebound off somebody else and has to do it on his own and thats where hes found difficulty. Rose is he the element of change . I absolutely think hes the element of change. I think were going to look back at donald trump hes a great accelerator of disruption in the country, and in the world. Which in one regard is a very good thing. We need change. We need to adapt and reform our

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