house tax writers want to double the $1.01 federal excise tax on a pack of cigarettes with similar hikes on tobacco taxes. it would tax e-cigarettes for the first time. would that go against the president's pledge not to raise taxes on any household earning less than $400,000 a year? and if they do put a tax on tobacco products, would nonsmokers care? >> yeah, i don't know, on the first one. the issues that are -- taxes that are about health, there's always been kind of a gray area of were we thinking about income taxes or if something is totally voluntary like that, should that be counted. it might. in which case, this isn't a proposal of the biden administration, this is coming from congress, biden might insist that they not do that,