something more here? do you think it might have implications for the january 6th investigation? >> i think he probably can be doing both things on a parallel track. she's certainly trying to exonerate himself in the mind of the public if not in the mind of the special committee for any involvement he may or may not have had in january 6th. but i think he's also trying to maintain some reasonable space in the mind of the republican primary voter. i don't think he has the firepower. i believe my colleagues would agree, they're probably closer to republican inside politics than i, but i don't think he has the firepower to overcome donald trump. however, in an era where joe biden is 75 plus, still seeking the presidency, mike pence is not a super old man. so he could possibly be seen as a reasonable christian conservative for a post donald trump gop. if he doesn't win, the field is wide open for '28. i see mike pence not going darkly into the night, trying to keep himself relevant and in the