very, very strong, committed follow, and by the way he's not going anywhere in the polling. he's very much in the top tier of this race, no question. that she can be like not the -- which helps her in this triangulating way. >> i wish democratic voters were reading and memorizing everything i wrote. people don't go in with hard ideologies to a lot of these. the average voter does not. and the way that warren has presented herself is that she is less of a revolutionary. she's more of a person interested in what can be done and how you break the logjam in congress. i think she also has benefited from frustration that democrats who lead congress, to use a high and mighty word, wimpy and they're not opposing the president the way they could. they're not doing everything they could with the power. i think she's benefited from that but in a way that seems tough without seeming furious. i don't want to get too touchy-feely and theater critic-y about it, but i think