was granted. there's another thing a judge did, which is also really striking. this is judge amy berman jackson. fascinating thing happens last week a lawsuit about the trump white house preserving records of calls with foreign leaders. suddenly incredibly relevant. they tell doj you got to save these records. are you going to do it? and doj goes silent for 24 hours. and then they come back and go, yeah, we will. usually it would end there. the judge would trust them to. but the judge actually ordered them, the white house, to preserve records of trump's dealings with foreign leaders. is that as extraordinary a condemnation of the level of trust she has in them as i feel like it is? >> yes. it is extraordinary. because normally the government believes the government. >> yes. >> remember, these are both federal -- these are two federal entities, and normally you have full expectation that there will