very important to the -- to the interests of the united states, that's not for your average person on the street. >> yeah, they don't care. >> and, frankly, if you are going to appeal to those people on the street you wouldn't go there. you would just simply say this is american policy and the irregulars were not pursuing that. this is an argument to box in those half dozen, seven, eight -- >> that is very interesting. >> who are going to be faced with a very difficult vote. because if they vote against donald trump donald trump's not the type of person who is going to say i'm going to release you on this one. susan collins -- >> you don't think they're going to get a back channel message to susan collins? >> exactly. they're going to come in and he's going to attack them because he can't have this be in any way other than party lines. and if they vote with trump then every person who runs against them in every election has to say -- >> yes. >> -- one thing to point out to say you're either with trump or against trump. you're with trump. susan collins and joni ernst and