one of them was a business card by a man the name of -- and he's the leading anti-corruption prosecutor in ukraine. but he's one of these -- a lot of these former soviet states and we've heard this from some of these diplomats that have been testifying, the anti-corruption justice system is kind of a way to extort or threaten or seize assets from people you don't like, your political opponents. this guy seems to be sort of of that mold. and because of that and because he was caught on tape suborning false testimony and tipping off people to impending police raids ambassador yovanovitch sort of went at him very hard. so this was a guy who met with giuliani in paris over the summer and would have been someone who certainly would have been on the same side of giuliani and parnas in trying to get you von vch out of her post. so the fact he had his business card on him is definitely noteworthy.