which just to i think a core instinctual and visceral level he has much affection for strong men bought actually likes that system and in some ways has oriented our political culture around that vision. >> i think one of the things there was a trilogy of fdr books that were completed by -- and i'm blanking on the author's name, but he talked about the fact that fdr, he was architecting the world we live in today and he said to the canadian prime minister that the ambition wasn't this new world order, this american led liberal global order, wasn't that it would last forever. he only wanted it to last for as long as any person who was alive on the day the war ended was still alive. and it's had a good run. so you see this week in stark ways the retreat and decline of