>> what do you say to that argument, there's no reason to pay for people -- >> well, i say buttigieg is wrong on both counts. number one of costs. we talk about making a higher education, public colleges and universities tuition-free, we mean not only college but we mean trade schools as well. there are millions of good jobs out there in construction in all kinds of areas where people are good at working with their hands. they don't want to go to college. and of course we are going to make it tuition-free for those people. so what he's saying is not accurate. second of all there is the issue of universality. i'm glad he's i'm worried mr. buttigieg thinks i'm too easy and i'm going to allow -- and right now trump's kids can go to any public school, elementary school, high school in the country tuition free.