gaxiola gonzalez was -- amy klobuchar, she came around. to defend manchin's intelligence for a moment, i mean in honestlily, extremely right people can be captured by their idea logical predispositions. one of the things you see in the diminish leadership class especially of that age, i think there is a generational divide, they truly believe -- i think this is true of manchin. if you gave him a truth serum, the system works, and that you have got to work it until it works, i think they truly believe that. >> but then you have the -- >> sorry, chris, could i jump in briefly? on manchin -- could i say on manchin? he said he is against d.c. -- he said he is against d.c. statehood and there should be a constitutional amendment, the american people should vote on it. that's not how constitutional amendments work. the man doesn't under the system he works in.