no one can get their heads around them. i work with this all the time and a trillion is meaningless to me whether you tell me it was neanderthals or whatever. i think the goal is to scare people with big numbers but i don't know if it works. what do you think, robert? >> unfortunately, it is working a little bit this time around because, remember, the original number was going to be $3.5 trillion. that was biden's opening, and now it is getting squeezed down to the range of maybe $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion. i think that these numbers only have meaning in comparison with other things that we are trying to do. now, you compared it to national defense. over the next ten years, $8 trillion. now, compare $2 trillion to $8 trillion. >> right. >> you don't have to be an advanced mathematician to see that. if you look at the amount of trillions of dollars that the trump republican tax cuts represented, that was $2 trillion right there, chris.