>> there was that feeling in medicine, this is going to be sars 1 or mers again, maybe we don't need to put this energy in it. on top, you have a totally dysfunctional and competence administration that throws its own testing strategy out the window, pandemic strategy out the window so there's no back up when things go wrong with the exact things you say, the sort of overconfidence, we got this, doesn't work out. you don't have leadership at hhs. you don't have leadership at the white house that could put the resources and the energy into like thinking, you know, geez what if things really go bad, what should we be doing? >> this is the quote that stuck with me. there was a feeling this wasn't going to be a major outbreak. the senior leaders didn't do enough to encourage, that sentence, there was a feeling there wasn't going to be a major outbreak. that was the epitaph for the early response. >> that's very real. i was asking questions january 17, 2020, this is a new