you know, he says it there, to be -- he doesn't like the fact the numbers are going up. he thinks it reflects poorlien of his political prospects and the way to do that is to stop testing so that the numbers will be lower so he has a better chance of reelection which seemed to guide, as your report found, and saw in realtime, guide everything at every step. >> that's right. but of course covid ultimately shows up in hospitals, it shows up in infections, it shows up in deaths. regardless of whether donald trump decides to test less for covid, that doesn't mean that covid goes away, and unfortunately it led to perhaps thousands of more deaths than would otherwise have been the case had we tested asymptomatic people, quarantined people who had covid, and, of course, treated those away from those who had not had covid. >> i want to go through some of