would be painted that insurrection, there was two groups of people in donald trump's orbit. those who despite whatever, we're adamantly opposed to trump's coup. and then the wackos who will courage or assisted in the plan of a fair and free election in american democracy as we know. and then there is a net a another category, category one, the former white house chief of staff mark meadows. that guy, we are not clear what groupie false. into -- but he also did not appear to be one of the true believers like rudy giuliani. one of the reasons why i would be so beneficial for meadows to speak to the committee investigating the attack. now we now know leading up to january six, meadows acted as a kind of intermediary clearinghouse, away station for that president. fueling messages from both pro and anti coup camps. hopefully aggregated by the washington post with the piece out today, easily leading up to