similarly just indiscriminate and brutal, and almost beyond comprehension. you know, zelenskyy seems to understand, it's very interesting to hear him say, we need to talk -- so let's be very much understands, there is no military victory in the offing here. there are simply out there, that a diplomatic solution. and that the only binding constraint for putin is essentially to be in front of the mind of the world's attention. >> well, i think that one possible break on putin's actions in the end, is this you want to crush this entire country? as they want to bring russia into a situation where it's a pariah state? where it's a gigantic version of what venezuela was. you know, just, is that with the modern world, one of modern russia is going to be.