petrol and drive. >> yes, exactly, there were huge lines at most gas stations we passed, massive lines outside checkpoints. it also just fell very arbitrary and random. like, we passed through a couple major cities that we had heard -- you know, we were getting security briefings each devil on the way. some even chatting from people with msnbc. oftentimes, those would be dated within six hours, those reports. so you never knew you would come across a three kilometer long queue of cars, or incredibly long queues at gas stations. we try to stay in fuel up as much as possible, have cans a fuel just in case. and build up as much time as we could to travel. >> you were in kharkiv and the areas right around, it right? what was that like? there was the palpable sense of