approach that we had with workers. we are amazon workers, organizing other amazon workers. so, we understand their struggles. we could relate to each others. so, i think that is what made it successful. >> yeah. and when you say that, i just want to put a fine point on this. usually, the way this happens is that a union that exists will send professional organizers to help workers inside a place figure out how to get a union. it's a difficult process. that was not the case here. this was entirely grassroots, entirely organic. you and christian smalls and a bunch of other people got together and just did this on your own. right? >> yes, that's correct. >> and what was it that made you feel that you are at a breaking point where you wanted to take this on? >> well, i am employed with amazon for over six years. i have done everything as far as meeting the goals and exceeding all the expectations.