groups of republicans effectively cosplay as alternate slates of electors. they held fake alternate electors signing ceremonies, and then they had those fake elector certificates brought to vice president mike pence on january 6th, in order to stop his certification of the election. last week, cnn reported that the trump campaign official who physically tried to bring those fake elector certificates to pence on january 6th, he is now cooperating with a special counsel. that comes after reports that multiple fake electors themselves have been given immunity deals in exchange for their cooperation with smith's investigation. one thing is for certain. jack smith knows how to walk and chew gum at the same time. what can we learn from just how all encompassing this investigation, as reportedly become? and how close is it to nearing an end. joining us now is former federal prosecutor paul butler, and msnbc legal analyst lisa