right matters. an american story." i look forward to talking to you about that call and that book and everything around it, so thank you so much for being with us today. you were listening in, of course, as part of your duty. you were in the white house basement in the situation room and you were listening as you were supposed to take notes with colleagues any time the president is calling a foreign leader. july 25, 2019, what was your first reaction to what you heard? >> right. i recognized that all of my fears about the president being the driving force behind this -- this corrupt enterprise to favor himself in the upcoming 2020 elections were realized. before that i had fears that other people were trying to do the president's dirty work, but i had reverence for the office of the president, and in that moment i recognized it was the president. the president was the driving force. >> and you had heard there had been a lot going on because you heard about what rudy giuliani