congress can't haul up the president's close advisers and puts the justice department in a tough spot because it's had that view for decades. >> pete williams, thanks for clearing that up. sam stein, i want to play chairman mcgovern's comments about mark meadows this morning. he is the chairman of the rules committee and get your reaction on the other side. >> maybe former chief staff meadows should talk to former congressman meadows. when he was serving here, he complained about subpoenas being ignored, information being hidden and congress being stonewalled. when he came to other people facing a congressional subpoena, he said, i quote, they may be able to ignore congress but they won't be able to ignore the american people, end quote. so i don't know what changed when he moved from working for one branch of government to the next. maybe he is just that afraid of donald trump. >> sam, of course, what pete williams would tell you is that what changes he was in the role