and he got led into it and he led into a war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and it made us less secure. we would have been much better off with iran and iraq going after each other. >> did you ever imagine a presidency like this? >> there was a part of that that he's repressed which was interesting, the part that's sort of gatsby, the sort of loaner, there's a very american piece there but that's been smaugtered over smothered over. once he got into power he didn't