and it made us less secure. and it left us and israel without a buffer between us and iran. and it made us less secure. we would have been much better off with iran and iraq going after each other. >> when you were falling into politics as a young kid, did you ever imagine a presidency like this? >> no, i don't want to take another shot at him, except to say there was a part of trump that he has repressed which was interesting, the part that sort of gatsby, the sort of -- the loner, the individual against the establishment a. bit like citizen cain, too. there is that very american piece there, but that's been smothered over. once he got into power he didn't become a better person. there is a lot of important stuff going on there. i think that's why people voted for him. once he got into power he didn't become a better person. he took shots at peoples physical disabilities, at their looks, their voices, their gender.