recall or did not recollect information -- 36 times he said it. and five of those times were in response to questions about roger stone and the hacked materials. what is this about forgetting, by the way? where does that fit into our lives, i forget? >> yeah, well it wasn't very believable when in fact in the mueller report they suggest it wasn't very believable. some of the things he forgot, for instance, was that the dnc e-mail hacking of that release was like on his birthday. there were these kind of periods where you'd think how wouldn't you remember that? but i think what's critical here is this is why donald trump's lawyers did not want him to be interviewed. remember -- >> well, he did a written response. >> a written response is not an interview because remember they kept calling it a perjury trap. well, there's no such thing as a perjury trap. you either tell the truth or you don't. >> thank you. you know what, the one thing trump really did forget was his oath of office.