appeal, there's no real reason for you to seek relief in the supreme court, is there? >> but in the normal case, if you win that case, if you win, then you don't have to continue litigating that. here, sb-8 says there is no preclusive effect. >> you're getting back to the argument that there is a chilling effect. i'm asking for your position in the absence of that. if it's just a regular type of case, surely it's adequate to have federal review at the end of the state court process? >> in the normal case, you are correct, i agree with that. in a normal tort lawsuit, that is adequate. it is the chilling effect that in this case is created by the combination of delegation of enforcement of a public policy for the general public at large and there's no preclusive effect, and all of the special rules that are created in order to turn the texas state courts into a tool that can be used to nullify -- >> counsel, even apart from these procedural requirements that you're talking about, i'm