executive privilege, right? we don't know how cooperative sondland's going to be. he's indicating he wants to be cooperative. he's also indicated he won't hand over text messages or e-mails and direct conversations with the president. if he does have state department counsel with him, they may prevent him from answering that question. and remember, the red line of the white house has always put down is for these testimony to take place, they want to have counsel present. now, we don't know if that's true with fiona hill. fiona is of course a former. still haven't gotten to whether mar marie -- >> how wide does executive privilege here, as both hans and garrett brought up, how wide does it apply to both sondland's testimony along with fiona hill's that's going on now? >> it's up to the president to do so but it's not absolute. you know, as we learned in the supreme court decision involving president nixon, executive privilege cannot be used as a