Has jolted mika to her core. What . The fact that nobody since, i guess, 96 made it into the hall of fame. And ive just got to ask a question. What has Major League Baseball and the Sports Writers that cover Major League Baseball, what has it all come down to when a guy is not allowed to get into the hall of fame and to be adored by my Young Children and meachams Young Children willies Young Children. And willies Young Children and the Young Children of america just because they committed a felony and may have perjured themselves under sworn testimony. Its an outrage. The United States congress. Whats america coming to . This is good news. Theyre cheaters. These cheaters, these felons, these perjurers are not being honored. They should say that they shouldnt be. I couldnt be happier. You listen to the Sports Writers, these dorks just being so offended by the fact that these cheaters, these felons, these perjurers thats horrible. Not being allowed in. You know, a huge percentage of members of the Baseball Writers Association vote honorably and honestly. This was a resounding vote against the steroid era, but its replete with hypocrisy, especially with a few of the players like mike piazza or jeff bagwell because they are not voted in because theres a suspicion that they used steroids. But the suspicion existed when they were playing. So no one wrote about it. No one said anything about it. But now you vote against a player because of a suspicion. By the way, of course, im talking, obviously, willie, about bonds and clemens. But piazza may be one of the greatesthitting catchers ever. And if you cant nail him, if theres just suspicion, i dont think you should dock him, obviously. No. Theres a cloud around everybody. We do have to figure out what to do. Now youve got the alltime home run king, alltime hit king, a guy who won seven cy youngs in Roger Clemens will probably never be in the hall of fame. A guy like mark mcgwire. Put it on the plaque. Put it on the plaque. No, no plaque. No nothing because they arent. The steroids era. There you go. First of all, that would be the biggest construction project in the history of cooperstown. True. Good point. Because the game was replete with steroids for a period of perhaps as many as 20 years. But certainly for 10 to 15 years. Just put it on the plaque with bonds and clemens. Heres what happened with them. Heres what they admitted. Heres what they were charged with. Whatever. Put it on the plaque. You know what my problem is, though . And maybe this is personal with me. I was born in atlanta, georgia. I grew up, hank aaron was my idol. Hank aaron was a remarkable man, decent, humble, mobile, alabama, resident, by the way, native, by the way. He carried so much on his shoulders. Yes. From 1957 through 1974. April 8th, 1974 when he beat babe ruths record. He feared for his life. And he did it honorably. He did it decently. I dont want barry bonds, that felon, that creep, i dont want him in the same state with hank aaron. I mean, and maybe its just because of the era, you know, that i come from. I dont want him in this he does not belong in the same baseball universe as hank aaron. Well, he belongs in the hall of fame, joe. I mean, prior to 1999 when the suspicions of steroid use and bonds were linked together, hes a hall of fame ballplayer. Roger clemens, yankees, red sox career, hes a hall of fame ballplayer. Mike, i understand thats like saying that a guy before he started robbing banks at 35 was a really good deacon at his church. I know. And by the way, bonds, i mean, heres the great tragedy and teach it to our kids barry bonds was one of the ten greatest Baseball Players of all time before he started cheating. It wasnt enough for him. She was selfish and greedy. How many times did he do 30 30 . 30 stolen bases, 30 home runs when his head wasnt the size of one of these cameras. Yeah. It was the summer of 1998 that did it. He watched mark mcgwire and sammy sosa go nuts. He watched the country fall in love with them. He watched them put up 70 home runs. He said wait a minute. Im better than both of those guys. He decided to play catchup. Jason stark at espn had a great piece. You should go read it. He asks the question, do we want it to be a holy site or do we want it to be a museum to baseball . Because if its a museum to baseball, barry bonds, mark mcgwire, those guys have to be in there in some form. Youre going to put those guys in there before pete rose . No, him, too. Just let them sit out as long as they make pete rose sit out, one of the greatest Baseball Players of all time has been sitting out because he bet on teams. And i understand, you know. Sorry, is there a compromise where you let them have the records but didnt make them hall of famers . I dont want them to have the record. The hall of fame ballplayers, put it on the plaque. Its the Baseball Hall of fame, not the moral hall of fame. You have members of the ku klux klan in the hall of fame. You have perhaps people who were accessories to murder, ty cobb, in the hall of fame. You have outandout racists in the hall of fame. Its the Baseball Hall of fame. The hall of fame is about the game. And they cheated at the game. So they shouldnt be in there. And thats simple. We dont need six minutes of this. They have to be in there. I do want to say and i understand that argument, you know, what pete rose did didnt impact his statistics, didnt impact the game. What bonds and clemens did especially, they cheated exactly at the game. You know, one of the things they are going to have to do when they take a look at how to handle this and obviously, youre going to have to address the steroid era. The second thing is, there are too many voters. What sense does it make that you have someone voting yesterday who puts aaron sealy on his ballot, a journeyman pitcher, and someone like vin scully who doesnt have a vote for the hall of fame. Thats ridiculous. Scale it down. 100 votes. 75 to get into the hall of fame. You know what this reminds me of, and i think we ought to go to katty kay with the bbc. Remember the cricket, the teaspiking scandal of india in 1907 . Mmhmm. A dark, dark day for cricket. Katty kay. Anything to comment on here, or should we move on . You know what . Im going to defer to barnicle whenever it comes to baseball. I have to say when he says there are people from the ku klux klan and rapist, i dont know if theyre convicted or not who are in the hall of fame, id have questions about them being in there as well. Yeah, of course, its about the game, but at some point, character and what else youve done to get to that position comes into play as well. Mike, i defer to you. If we start removing racists from baseball, then yawkey way will have to be bank of america boulevard. He said racist. Wait a second. Boston. Until we settle up on lindleys, i dont think katty should be weighing in. I do want to get to the news. At eight past the hour. Thank you, mika. Thats pretty good. Nice turn. Big fan of 1940. The king of segues. That is a dorky 1940. So mika. Yes. I think mitt romney should fedex that binder of women that he has. Oh, please. To barack obama. Oh, please. No. Hes fine. Theyre binders. Its different now. No, its not different. Now its different because barack obama obviously doesnt know any qualified women to serve in his cabinet. Mitt romneys got binders of women that are qualified to serve. He widened the search and was mocked. No, actually, mitt romney basically ridiculed the whole concept of hiring women by getting binders. And this president has put policies has just decided not to hire women. Are you going to interrupt . I dont need the binders. I just wont hire them. You can stop talking for a second. Hey, valerie the 2,000 tweets that come in right now saying shut up and let mika talk. Im going to take care lets shortcut this whole process. Im just not going to hire any women. And hey, by the way, we just lost another female cabinet member yesterday. Thats another man we can hire. To play basketball with and go golfing with. The Supreme Court. All right. The bottom line is this president , as i was going to say about a minute ago i love this. Has put policies in place in which we will have many women ultimately getting to these positions. Theyll be paid women working across america, except in the white house. To be able to start busine businesses. But not access to the cabinet. But not to the top of the administration and no pathway in Barack Obamas cabinet. Are you kidding me . Youve got to be a little troubled. Youve got to be a little troubled. Come on, mika. Thats a good sporting tribe, but youre not going to get into the hall of fame for spinners for that one. Im not spinning. Im not spinning. So youre saying that hes making putting policies forward is that help women all across america but at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. There are women working at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. We know there are. Were talking about a couple of cabinet positions that are being filled. And why dont you name the and its not just gender, but its exact moment in ones career and timing and, for example, our international situation. You tell me if john kerrys right for the job. Is he right for the job . Yes. Is chuck hagel right for the job . Sure. Should we discriminate against them . Because they are right for the job. So youre suggesting that there are no women as qualified as men for these positions. I think the moment has to be right on a number of levels. And i think theyre good choices. A woman as treasury secretary. Theres an opening there. Theres an opening at treasury, right . Joe . Yes, katty. Is that photograph thats alongside the New York Times article yesterday disappointing . Of course its disappointing. To see a roomful of men with the president. It would be hard to say that that wasnt the case, right . But i think if you look at what the president has done in terms of the Supreme Court and advancing to women there, that is incredibly important. Hear, hear. In terms of why are you saying that for a long time. I would say as a woman, thats more important to me having three women on the Supreme Court. There you go. Than perhaps having a cabinet post thats going to come and go. As we know, katty, the president has to choose. Its in article 3 of the constitution. You have to choose whether you have a fair representation of women in the Supreme Court or in your cabinet. I mean, look it up. We can talk to ted cruz, im sure he can give us the exact site, so the president has chosen to have women in the Supreme Court and not in the cabinet. A gutsy move. When we had Hillary Clinton as secretary of state and a senior cabinet position, it was great having a women there. You see more role models. It encourages more women to run for office. The more women we see in public positions, the more other women are encouraged in their 30s and 40s that they can do this, too. Katty, its 2012. Lets show that picture again. And by the way, katty, i have said all along when there was, like, one woman on the Supreme Court, that it was disgusting and despicable. So yes, of course i salute that. You know, ive got a 9yearold daughter. What does she think when she sees this picture . Oh, please. Oh, please . You know, for barack obama and his team to savage mitt romney for a month off of an offhanded comment that really meant nothing, and here we are on something that matters. And youre forgiving him while you lit into romney and the media lit into romney for a month and now you are hypocritically, and i will say it, hypocritically giving this man a pass because hes a democrat youre cheering for. No, were saying its a disappointing photograph. No, you guys are trying to apologize for him after absolutely savaging mitt romney over binders. You mocked romney every day here, every single day for an offhanded comment in a debate. Simmer down. No, im not going to simmer down. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. And you guys can keep trying to talk your way out of the box youre in. You just make yourself look silly. No, we cant because you have to stop talking for us to do that. So i will tell you that first of all, if you look at what this president did when he came into office the first thing he did quit saying that. Quit saying that. You say that every day. He wont apply those standards. I cant even finish the sentence. He wants other people to do to his own cabinet . The first thing he did, as president ive heard this. Is open doors for women. The first thing he did was make sure women are paid for equitably, something i think you find to be important as it pertains to bringing women up. I do. And you know what . A chance to help themselves up. I do. I do. He established the White House Council on women and girls which focuses every day in the white house on how to lifted wom lift women up, how to give women access to capital. You say that every day. Can we show the picture again . The best people for the jobs in his cabinet. Show the picture again. You say it every day. You say it every day. Okay. Well, im having trouble today. Why does this women thing resonate with people so much who are critical of mitt romney and women. It wasnt specifically what he said but that it got to an attitude that people perceived him of having. Come on, katty. This is wrong its this 1950s attitude towards women. This is whats wrong with political reporting. You take an offhanded quip, and then you blow it up. Everybody on the left freaks out for a month. It was a faux pas. And then here we have something that matters, substance, cabinet positions. One man after another being selected. And you want to give him a free pass while you and mika and the media savage mitt romney for his binders comment. The binders comment got to a broader attitude towards women. A broader attitude, okay. Yeah, i think so. Dont you think when somebody makes a political gaffe, when does it generate generally . Because it suggests that people already have a perception of that person, right . Yes. No . I mean, thats it doesnt come out of nowhere. I mean, i think its because it reinforces some sort of attitude that people already have. So youre saying the right things, but you only select men for your cabinet . Thats okay. No, he hasnt only selected men for his cabinet. Theres napolitano, sebelius, susan rice. Weve had hilda solis, Hillary Clinton. Today barack obama doesnt have any women in his cabinet is simply not true. His top adviser is a woman. Romney, as i understand what romney was saying, however inartfully, although i dont even think it was that inartful when you think about it, is what arguably you want ceos to do, managers to do, which is if we believe that having a diversity of ethnic, gender, economic background voices in a room when a decision is being made whether youre at a bank or at a university or in a car dealership or the presidency or the governor of massachusetts and you get a bunch of lists and you say, there arent enough candidates who will bring about this diversity of views, lets look more. And you know, that was the stupidity of office depot. Yeah, that was the stupidity of the argument against romney for saying that. And i didnt defend romney a whole lot during the campaign for all the dumb things that he and his Campaign Staff did. This is what leaders do. This is what executives do. They say, bring in the best candidates we can get. Thats what eisenhower did. Eisenhower hired people he didnt even know. His rule was, i dont want any friends. Bring me in everything you got. Thats what leaders do. And it was this fake controversy that liberals churned up for a month. And now that barack again, i hate to say this because it gets so tiresome saying it if a republican in 2013 had a cabinet that looked like that, that republican would be savaged. This is what ruth marcus writes in the Washington Post. Obama needs some binders of women. About all those white guys what a shame. Not an outrage, but a shame. The face of power that president obama has chosen to present to the country and the world with his secondterm cabinet picks is striking. Except for the africanamerican president at the top of the pyramid, for its retro look, white and male. Its mad men goes to washington, except peggys leaving. To look at the most important jobs in the government, in 2013, and see such a lack of diversity is just so drearily disappointing especially because it could easily have been so different. Imagine the tableau of obama flanked by secretary of state nominee susan rice and defense secretary nominee michele flournoy. That would have been the ultimate youvecomealongway moment. Weve heard this since 2009. Its a guys club. The New York Times has reported that, its a guys club. He has guys golfing with him. Hes got guys playing basketball with him. Women have complained quietly about being excluded at the white house since 2009. Well, i think statistically president obama has more women in his cabinet than president bush did. I think as katty said, he would point to his first term when he did have Hillary Clinton, napolitano, sebelius, Valerie Jarrett is his top adviser. I think it goes without saying that if this were a republican president , it would be a national outrage. And it would be made into a larger point about the Republican Party being a party of only white men. So there is a double standard at work for sure. And i think its a little surprising, frankly, that president obama didnt choose any women based on what he did in his first term which was to put women in high places. Lets just erase his first term. Thats what i just said. I know. Yeah. Secretary of state clinton. By the way, susan rice might have been there today had she not been completely routed out by a Republican Opposition that was quite frankly personal and cruel and completely out of step. David axelrod said president obama never considered susan rice. Talk about old guys being completely chauvinist