>> during the session. >> correct and we know what happened to him. you don't have to be part of the "deep state" to be on the receiving end of trump's ire. >> here's my curiosity in this one, anybody else that sort of basically takes this kind of public shot at the white house, they're usually out. the president is so focused and so distracted, is mcaleenan weirdly safe right now because of the rest of this? >> he might be for a few years. run is, as we said, he's carrying out the president's agenda. second, he projects competency, he is competent. he has experience. in the administration, that's something you might want to put front and center during a time like this. so i don't know that he's in trouble because there's so much else going on. it's funny we're talking about this this far into the show. >> that's the question. this would create more uncertainty at a time but this president thrives on uncertainty but you would think he wouldn't want this kind of instability. >> and this is a process priority he needs for