idealism about our foreign policy. and this administration couldn't tell you what our foreign policy is. they couldn't tell you what our objectives are with iran, saudi arabia, syria, with russia -- there is no cohesive -- and this is coming from inside the administration, there is no coherent foreign policy. that's dangerous. if the u.s. doesn't lead on foreign policy, despite how trump would like it, the world quickly becomes pretty dark and bloody. >> anne, you traveled the world with multiple secretaries of state. you've -- it -- how weird is this, that we have this -- the divide between the president and everybody else in his party on a few of these issues and they're always related to russia. >> yes, they are always related to russia. just -- i sort of -- i go back to what ambassador mcfaul was saying, that the main differe e difference, yes, russia-specific