i mean, this is -- i don't understand sometimes where you have folks who are actively concerned about the same things that many of these democratic elected officials are concerned about, yet it doesn't seem to -- the right seems to be able to compartmentalize. >> this is a president who says he's in love with kim jong-un. we perhaps have lost our capacity to be shocked, but when it comes from europe -- >> the white house people are people he hired. >> we've seen these national movements growing in europe. they're closer to us, perhaps, than north korea. and to see him sort of be attracted to what has been, you know, roundly said is an alarming development in europe is certainly concerning. >> the social scientist in me also is like, this is a larger