saying even before this hot mess was in the papers, there was an awareness that this was a linka linkage. suddenly the envoy to ukraine who knows all this stuff doesn't know that. two points from the testimony, the new material we have, he basically says he thought this investigation they were negotiating to get was, quote, only about whether any ukrainians acted inappropriately. but then he says that he was willing to explore drafting the statement because it was for giuliani, it was to, quote, convince giuliani to convey to trump a more positive assessment of the leadership in ukraine. you don't have to be an expert on this issue to know those two things don't square. mr. giuliani's brief, his mission, which you cited in public accounts, fox news interviews, any glancing interaction, using ukraine to do stuff in america. so you can't say you were doing this for giuliani and also only with regard to jurisdiction for intraukraine prosecution of people you never met.