served. and it is -- you know, this is something that a lot of people have lamented, the world war ii veterans were their own sort of group in congress that would put country over party. and the vietnam veterans at a time started to embrace that type and now v they're not there. this missing piece of service, i think that's something bob dole and clinton wanted to agree upon, national service. the shared experience in american public service, it's some sort of additive that you can't really -- you don't really see it until after they serve in congress and you see what a veteran is like in congress versus a nonveteran sometimes. >> you're absolutely right. and we see this certainly with the vietnam and world war ii veterans, that class.