has some work to do. but that safety of first recognizing, who are, we who do i come from? who do i belong to? what are the things that i inherit that are painful? what gifts do i carry? and how do i transform that for the benefit of others? that is, in essence, what happens, through targeted questions and reflective practice. >> and these are relatively small gatherings of people. how do you think about scaling something like that or scaling conversations like that, like he went through when you were mayor here around some of the confederate monuments? we >> actually did it with the help of la june montgomery tabron and kellogg. to those comments earlier -- you think about folks in this with so long of us -- and is minnijean sitting there, i was just a little girl not too long ago, and you are looking at the descendants of plessy versus ferguson. it happened right there, listen 300 yards from a. so when people say it was a long time ago, it was like