focus his foreign policy not on russia, but on asia, on combatting and containing china. and so putin is aware of that. he knows the u.s. doesn't want to get bogged down here. he knows the u.s. ultimately is not really interested in guaranteeing ukraine's defense by inviting them into nato, but the u.s. has made commitments to ukraine. they believe very much in the sovereignty of democratic countries. and so putin believes he may have some leverage here, and it is a very precarious geopolitical situation, and it is one that is the white house is having to spend a lot of time on here at year's end. >> david, i want to read something written in "the atlantic". it was written russia's aggression against ukraine is backfiring. and that, quote, putin's military moves are rallying ukrainians and unifying nato. do you agree or is that too optimistic? >> i think it's too optimistic
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