the russian foreign minister, one? and two, how does he talk to someone who lies repeatedly, whose boss lies repeatedly? how do you make progress under those circumstances? how do you trust a word that they say? >> well, we don't trust, chris. i think that's our operating assumption. and we have plenty of reason to operate with that principle in mind as do our ukrainian partners. you heard from the foreign minister before he took part in the latest round of diplomatic discussions with his russian counterpart today in turkey, that they had low expectations for this round of diplomacy. we are on precisely the same page with those low expectations. i think as of this morning, it is unclear to us whether even those low expectations have been met. at every turn before the invasion and now during this war of choice, the russian federation has engaged in something that we call the pretense of diplomacy. that is to say that russia goes through the motions, sometimes