i think it's time to let the will of the american people move forward and if the republicans win an election, because maybe they come up with a plan or idea some time and get off this axle that wrapped around conspiracy theories and donald trump malignancy and rest of this nonsense, maybe they ought to be able to pass their program as well and we'll all let the voters decide, how about that? that's my answer to joe manchin, he should stop putting himself in the place of the will of the american people. right now he's standing in that doorway and it's making a lot of people upset. >> but republicans do win elections. they didn't necessarily win the last one. if there's no filibuster, what could mitch mcconnell do if he had that kind of power? what could he have done the last four years? >> i guess that doesn't trouble me because when democratic policies are enacted -- health care reform, and people see how it works, it's popular. when republican policies are enacted, say they want to lift