committee to get the information out. because apparently, the judge departed apartment is waiting for them to do it first. >> to that point about information, hears general six committee member adam kinzinger earlier today. >> either the president, probably in his best case scenario, was totally incompetent, totally indecisive and absolutely abdicated his responsibility to defend the constitution. or, and this is where we can get more information. you know, he was part of this. he was part of understanding what was going to happen. that's why the days leading up to january 6th, in terms of him specifically, what did he know, who did he talk to, are so important. so that's what i want to get down to, what did he know? i think that could be, really, the defining moment between what he did criminal, or just terribly incompetent. >> cynthia, either way, not exactly unflattering portrait of the former president. what does this committee need in terms of information to make any sort of criminal referral? >> they need to know about his