were people he had known from new york, from the business world, and one of those people was rudolph giuliani. so giuliani often had a sort of unofficial role in the president's orbit. sometimes his personal attorney. but a very outsized one, someone trump would call late at night from the residence, you know, kind of get around his various chiefs of staff to get in touch with him. trump likes the way giuliani fought for him on television and inside the white house. so well before january 6th, rudy was making trouble, creating chaos and unnecessary headaches for the official white house team. but they couldn't really control him or rein him in because then-president trump liked what he was seeing in his friend. >> let's talk about what this means in terms of the narrative, where the committee is as it narrows in. you mentioned this in your first