also report about 60 miles of replacement barrier has been completed under the administration's watch, all in areas that already had existing border infrastructure. the "wall street journal" notes that "about 654 miles of the 1,991-mile border already had some kind of fabricated barrier when mr. trump took office. much of the rest has natural barriers, approximately 1,295 miles of the border are river and 696 miles are land." still with us nancy cook, jon meacham, eugene robinson, and general barry mccaffrey. nancy, let me start with you. this reporting of the president behind the scenes saying essentially do whatever you have to do to get this thing done and there could be pardons. what's the white house saying? they're saying this is a joke. what's the context they're saying this was delivered in? >> i think what they're saying is -- what's so interesting to me as a reporter who covered the white house on a daily basis is they're not saying that the reporting is incorrect.