several times about having an insurance policy if being thrown under the bus is sarcastics and relates to the files in my safe about the biden family's four decade monetizing of his office. if i disagree, i'll reappear immediately along with my rico chart. this afternoon he was asked about his thoughts on his lawyers words. >> what do you make about rudy giuliani saying he has insurance? >> i think maybe the press isn't treating rudy very well and that's unfair. but he was a great mayor and a great crime fighter. >> here for our lead off discussion on a monday night, barbara mcquaid for the eastern district of michigan. and peter baker chief white house correspondent for the new york times and the new book impeachment in american history. good evening and welcome to you all. counselor, barbara, i have to start with you, how big, how