officials, the secretary of state mike pompeo who himself has been implicated in this are parroting this propaganda as a way of defending the president. we can presume that those people, mike pompeo, kennedy and others actually know better. not entirely clear that president trump does. president trump has a detachment for reality. it is possible that he's been somehow persuaded and his paranoia has made him think that this is what's happening. but anyone with open eyes, clear eyes, can see that that's not what happened. as for tucker carlson and fox news, they get paid money to appeal to that audience and parrot that kind of stuff. tucker carlson is kind of a troll, as he said. he was joking, but that's i think his motivation is a little more transparent. >> let's talk about senator kennedy. he likes to screw homespun,