clintonite or that's a barack obama ambassador. >> another way to put it is the great divide. the people he just described, who have been on display during these hearings are also known ee for their knowledge, their expertise, their rigor. together they put together the government of the united statesh >> it's been interesting to watch, brian, how often the president has referred to people who do their jobs for a o multitude of administrations. republican, democrat, sometimes over the course of 20 years, as bill taylor did, asthmary yovanovitch did. people who view them as very apolitical, to say that they're essentially hacks who have nothing but an interest in unseating this president, i found it striking, too, if i could merge our two themes.