the american people that this is not true, perpetuating the big lie is an attack on the core of our constitutional republic. and that is why she is no longer in the republican leadership. back with us tonight, robert gibbs, former obama campaign, senior adviser and white house press secretary under president obama, and mike murphy, codirector for the center of southern california. both are also cohosts -- and i don't think we've had this before -- of the "hacks on tap" podcast which we heartily recommend. gentlemen, thank you very much for coming on. mike murphy, the sight of chuck grassley at the trump rally -- i think we have a little bit of that. we'll play it and discuss on the other side. >> i was born at night but not