ramping up to anywhere near over the bathtub level. >> okay, so he doesn't feel any to accuse himself. there is no signs that he'll resign. but terry, spouses of everybody's family members, right? you are allowed to have your own political views, your own career. but this woman literally is the wife of a supreme court justice, and she is making lists on who the president of the united states should fire, and getting them to them. clarence thomas feels no obligation -- clarence thomas feels no obligation to at least address this to the american people? . just in the court is so important. >> i agree, i agree. the answer is, that's right, he probably does. by the way, it's not that she -- she executed the lists. she goes past the chief of staff, in any government that wouldn't be okay to happen. and steve bannon calls her a force of nature.