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capacity. so i think, what would be ideal in terms of the public feeling like it had a ruling that everybody could feel good about is that everybody was amongst them, and the issued a ruling, and it was unified. but that could take just a bit of time. >> but charles, for the average person out there, do i have this right? trump's immunity claim is basically not that he is innocent of any of these things he's charged with, but as long as he's not impeached, or convicted, he's allowed to do criminal stuff? isn't that what he is saying? >> that is exactly correct, stephanie. that is where i think that his attorneys made an incredible mistake. by trying to make this an issue of separation of powers, you created a space where you want this president to do basically anything that he wants when he's in office, then you leave it up to a political question as to whether congress will

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