think about, also, why are we covering the d. c. circuit court of appeals oral arguments? we do that because there's something of importance on what came out on tuesday, donald trump's lawyers say, to a federal appellate court judge that a sitting president can dispatch seal team six to assassinate a political rival, but if they are impeaching it, it's okay. >> let's talk about the fraud trial. >> that's heavy stuff. all, right depending on how this judge rules in new york for the fraud trial, could donald trump be out of business in new york city, the city that made him famous with his rolling up to trump tower? >> i think that is possible. i love to see horrible people face consequences. but it is, i think what steve said earlier is very important. the voters like him. that is who they want. and that is a danger. so as much as i would love to see his businesses shut down,