>> right. well i think the long-term argument that the republicans have won over the past 20 or 30 years is that government is a problem, government is not a solution. so if you're not really looking to government to solve your problems, and a lot of people who vote republican are not, then really that is all that is left for politics is performance, all that is left for politics is reality tv. and reality tv is really about rude ability. it is make it, and you walk in the door, you're not here to make friends, you're saying this is who i'm for and this is who i'm against. so, when you boil republican politics and rhetoric down, that is what you're left with. i think the democrats should not follow that, but democrats can learn from that. there is nobody on our side who has really internalized how do you win communication in 2022. >> i mentioned two hosts walked off the set when they saw it was giuliani. does that speak to a broader