have been banned from voting in a state, the submission, if fake part, that's what becomes illegal. that what boris epshteyn basically admitted to pursuing in an interview here on "the beat." >> there's also been reporting about the attempt to seat fraudulent electors. is that something you ever worked on or would support in michigan? >> that's so funny. not fraudulent electors. it's alternate electors. because of the constitution laid out in the constitution. >> a quote, we fought to see the electors, the trump campaign asked us to do that. did you ever make calls like that regarding what you're calling these alternate electors? >> yes, where was part of the process to make sure there were alternate electors. >> let's go to legal experts. i'm joined by sdny civil prosecutor, maya wiley, and melissa murray. good to see both of you. professor murray, this is what law school textbooks are made