But, listen, the classified has even more to worry about because the county six committee, they will have at least one more hearing planned before they submit their full report. According to Committee Chairman bennie thompson, they are debating inviting some pretty big names like former Vice President mike pence and maybe even trump himself. We are going to dig into all of this. Joining me now is elie, he is the justice correspondent for the nation. He is also the author of the bestselling New York Times book, allow me to retort, a black eyes guide to the constitution. We have to give you all your flowers, elie. When all of this is going down the paschal of weeks, you were the only person that i wanted to talk to about this and get your take. Im a little confused by the multiple lenses here. An appeal, the doj is no longer appealing fighting a Special Master and they are only asking for a small state for part of the order. What do you think the dojs play is here . What is the reasoning behind that . Theyre realizing that the 11th circuit is also infected with trump. This District Judge was making these horrible, biases, he was appointed by trump and confirmed nine days after he lost the election. The 11th circuit six judges out of 11 are i got confused, six judges on the 11th circuit are trump judges. That is a huge problem. A third of the Supreme Court was appointed by donald trump. Every one of the 234 or so judges that Trump Appointed is suspect. We have to start understanding that these are too much 234 land mines that trump left behind in order to potentially blow up our democracy down the road. These people served for life. I have said on this program and many programs that one of the key reasons that trump is not already in jail is that he keeps finding people who are willing to lie, cheat, and the base themselves for him. Eileen cannon is just the latest person who is going to debase herself, her profession, and her office in service of donald trump. He found another one. He might find some more on the 11th circuit. He might find some more on the Supreme Court. The doj is trying to navigate that reality and all im trying to say is to get people to understand that reality. That is not new. People who now say the 11th circuit may be more reasonable, again, you can count on that. You have to track every single trump appointee as a suspect until proven otherwise. The courts have always been such a big deal for the republican party. During trumps tenure he appointed over 200 judges. A majority white male judges, some had never been judges before and really had very flimsy resumes to take up these positions. It is not just the courts that are threatened here, elie. This is something that is very concerning to me because trump and i will caution our viewers, i do not enjoy playing trump, i do enjoy giving him attention, that is exactly what he wants. This threat to the country, i do think it is important to play and talk about. He is threatening the country, elie. Take a listen to what he said just this week and then we will talk about it on the other side. I think if it happened, i think you have problems in this country the likes of which perhaps weve never seen before. I dont think the people of the United States would stand for it. What kind of problems, mister president . I think they have big problems, big problems. I just dont think they stand for. It they will not, they will not sit still and stand for this ultimate opposes. This sounds a lot like stand back and stand by. Hes not acting like he is under investigation. He has a rally planned in ohio tonight. This kind of thing is quite scary, elie. I want to be petty again and say, we tried to tell you. Now here we are facing this man who keeps trying to rally the troops and give a wink and a nod to the Tiki Torch Marchers to essentially create havoc, not just in the court system but also in the streets. Your take . T lets start here, lets start with the problem of the fourth state, the american media. Listen to that clip again. Hugh hewitt made himself sound like billy bush in that clip. What kind of problems, mister president . He is threatening to unleash domestic terrorism on the country if he is held accountable for crime and you, immediate person, is sitting there saying, what kind of problems might we have . What is that . At some point, the Fourth Estate is going to have to realize that it is complicit in allowing these white domestic terrorists to organize and attain some level of legitimacy as they threaten our democracy. I want to table that because that is a huge part of the problem. The cause of the problem of course is trump himself and his mega acolytes themselves, and the people who are willing to do the violence in trumps name. Again, i want to say that im not surprised that he is threatening this because a, he is literally doing it before. And the, this is literally what conservative white folks do when they dont get their way. They turned violent. As a black man in this country, as a person who is aware of the black history in the new worlds. White people turned violent when they dont politically get their way. All the time in this country. It is what they do. From the perspective of a black person, im kind of like, welcome to a world that ive been living in, america. Now what we have is white domestic terrorists threatening to turn violence against a nonblack people, against everyone else if the White Supremacists ideallyology doesnt win the day and their White Supremacists are held accountable for crime. That is normal. You are not opening. That statement is rooted in history, in fact. If you are even a modest student of history, you have seen this scenario play out several times. It is why we punctuated the point. I want to echo your point about the media sanitizing these folks because the people who then him on january six, you just as bad on january 5th. To give eight him a platform after aligning with this foolishness is discussed d. C. As a member of the press. I want to shift yours because you wrote one full piece in the nation. You are so insightful and thoughtful in your writing. As much as you all enjoy elegantly shun, his writing is quite taking and insightful. You wrote about these governors shipping migrants to different countries. We saw just this morning that a group of migrants which opt off in front of Vice PresidentKamala Harriss residence. We have seen migrants get dropped off in Marthas Vineyard, on Marthas Vineyard i should say. We have seen republican florida man ron desantis do this. We have seen in texas republican greg abbott to this. This sounds like it could be breaking the law. It is Human Trafficking . Is this kidnapping . Is this legal . . I want to say, there is nothing wrong with us as a nation trying to come up with the best place to handle influxes of immigrants and new americans. That is good, we should have a National Immigration plan. You know who stops us from doing that . Republicans, republicans are the ones who forces to do this in a state by state away. Now, particular republicans, particularly fascist republicans are trying to ship migrants around the country to make them suffer and try to expose for a mega walk and to troll the left. What i believe is happening here is kidnapping. It is not quite Human Trafficking, just because the way our laws are written, theyre very specific in terms of Human Trafficking for the purpose of sex or labor. Trafficking for the purposes of having a laugh at liberals is not a human being trafficking violation. However, kidnapping is a thing. Kidnapping by trick is a thing. Telling people that you are going to take them one place and sending them somewhere else is a form of kidnapping. I can prove that to you if i do the Matthew Mcconaughey thing, now imagine they were white. Imagine ron desantis goes up to a group of white teenagers, offers them some candy and says hey, im going to take you to disney world if you get my van. And then ron desantis drives to bush gardens. That is kidnapping. You are not allowed to do that. So the people who did that, the organizers to do that, they should be charged with kidnapping. The other horrible part of the story is that we are hearing now from the Immigration Attorneys who descended upon Marthas Vineyard, and by the way mega fascists, by doing political stuff at shouting distance, it maybe not your desk best tackle choice. But anyway, some of the Immigration Lawyers on Marthas Vineyard have said that these people were processed by dhs and told dhs didnt have precedence. They made up fake addresses for them so that they would be too far away from those addresses to go to future hearings. That is an allegation, i dont know if that is true, that is what Immigration Attorneys are saying. If that is true, the dhs, if they are involved, need to be investigating and prosecuted for abuse of power. Is it much bigger scandal and we need accountability. Much big i want to say, i do t believe and the bc has independently confirmed that allegation, elie. If that is true, it does they do deserve to have some accountability there. And just the humanity, the van diagram, the overlay of the people who report themselves to be prolife, really antichoice, these are some lies that could use import. These are women and children and families that can use your support. Maybe stay out of my uterus and focus on that. Thank you so much elie, you are always wonderful on the show. I appreciate you, please continue to not make plans for saturday. We always knew on the show this morning. Thank you my friend, i appreciate you. Coming up, after touting that abortion should be decided at the state level, well senator Lindsey Graham is now posing a nationwide ban. It was just a matter of time. Denying millions of women the right to protect health, we are going to talk about that on the other side of the break. We have a jam packed Cross Connection so stay with us. Cross connection so stay with us connection so stay with us like 11 subway club. Piled with turkey, ham and roast beef. This sub isnt slowing down time any time soon. Ill give it a run for its money. My moneys on the sub. Its subways biggest refresh yet. Your mission stand up to moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis or active Psoriatic Arthritis and. Take. It. On. With rinvoq. Rinvoq is a oncedaily pill that tackles pain, stiffness, swelling. 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A texas woman who was 19 weeks pregnant had to travel ten hours to new mexico for an abortion after doctors discovered that her fetus had a rare Genetic Disorder and would not survive life beyond the womb. Now grahams proposal becomes law, women like her would not only have to cross state lines they could have to leave the country. I want to talk about this very seriously. Joining me now is michelle [interpreter] she is the director of shiro mississippi. Youve seen on the show before. Thank you michelle. And amy hatchery miller, she is ceo of whole Womens Health. Thank you both for being here. Amy, i want to start with. You because this is such an important conversation because no matter what the gop says, this was just an argument about state rights. To go to the states now, they are saying no no no we are introducing a federal ban. So even if they are saying no no Lindsey Graham has gone rogue, this is what they wanted. And i want you to explain to our viewers how a federal abortion ban impact states that still protect a womans right to choose. Because wouldnt blue states finally have Less Restrictive Laws Over Written By Federal Law . Yes, absolutely tiffany. They would. And good morning to both of you. They lied. They are not telling the truth. They dont have women and families at the core of their values. They dont care about telling the truth. And this would be harmful to people all over the country. Whether you live in a blue state or red state, this would be a federal abortion ban that would go to the root of the values of this country and to the root of our human rights. The vast majority of people in this country dont support this kind of ban. And people are up in arms already about the restrictions we have seen happen since roe fell at the end of june. We have lost access to safe abortion in at least 13, i think maybe 14 states. Already in these last ten weeks, a federal abortion ban would be incredibly harmful to the health and wellbeing of everybody. Not just. Women of families. Of communities, a Public Health outcomes. A maternal mortality. This is incredibly harmful and they did not tell the truth when they pretended that they were putting this back to the states. Look at kansas. Right, and just this week, West Virginia governor jim justice Saw Yesterday signed a bill that bans nearly all abortions in the state. Indiana, that ban passed by State Legislature went into effect on thursday. Michelle, women of color, black women in particular will be disproportionately impacted by this. The interesting thing about the people who report to care about life, black women are nearly four times more likely to die than white women when it comes to maternal health. Tell me what a federal abortion ban would do to the folks in your state and what you are dealing with . Well right now what we are dealing with, i can tell you this week shiro has cysts to getting the five individuals out of the state across country to get safe legal Abortion Care. What the National Abortion ban is, this proposed national portion ban will do is it will cripple this country even more. So in regards to Abortion Rights, and any ban on Abortion Rights acts as is extreme. And they all need to be repealed because they are oppressive massaging the stick and. Deadly what we need to do as a country, a lot of us are really starting to feel and experience what the goal of Overturning Roe was. Activists in organizers on the ground are a emotionally and physically spent at this point. It is costing an average of 1,000 to get people out of the 12 existing antiabortion states, getting them across the country. So we cannot afford to allow any anti Abortion Law Makers to gain any more control in the congress. Not even one more antiabortion lawmaker needs to be elected. Otherwise they will have the power to enforce a nationwide abortion ban. Because to, them Overturning Roe was not enough. Right. And just to point out for our viewers, Georgia RepublicanHerschel Walker and arizonas blake pastors, both candidates for senate are both supporting a federal abortion ban. So this is something scary. The Heartbeat Protection Act was introduced in congress in 2021. This is Something Else that denies Women Reproductive Health care. So it is very scary. Amy, how do you fight . Thats because You Discern Michelle saying, we are exhausted. It is not only costing financially, but it is costing mentally and spiritually. Dealing with this fight. What are you doin